. >> jay carney is having a briefing now. in a moment ago heated exchange with johnathon carl responding to documents that the white house knew there was no benefit in terms of time to enroll with obama care with paper work than the website but made people feel better. >> john, we never said that you the impoint of the process wouldn't go through healthcare.gov. >> that is not true, jay. look at your own words on october. roll over the phone ore enroll in person. on october 23rdrd. four ways to enroll in the exchanges. you didn't say go to healthcare.gov. you said four ways. it is by mail or website. you said four different ways. it is only one way through healthcare.gov. >> you can, have this. >> that's what is here. >> you can say it by yourself. >> i am trying to understand why the president gave the american public the impression and told them they can apply. >> they can call and the process is taken over from there. >> how do they enroll. >> when their paper work is processed on healthcare.gov. >> that is continuing righ